“LeVar’s a beautiful soul. He has a lot of wisdom,” said McFadden, alias Dr. Beverly Crusher on TNG. “I think he would be superb. I think he is born to do it. He’s perfect. I hope he gets it.”
Ever since Jeopardy! host Alex Trebek died in late 2020, many people have been guest hosts, most notably news personalities Katie Couric, Robin Roberts, Savannah Guthrie, George Stephanopoulos, actress/neuroscientist Mayim Bialik (The Big Bang Theory), and Burton, who played Lt. Cmdr. Geordi LaForge on TNG. Burton also hosted the children’s series Reading Rainbow for more than 20 years.
Spiner – who played the android Lt. Cmdr. Data (as well as Data’s “brothers” Lore and B4, Data’s creator Dr. Noonien Soong, and Dr. Altan Inigo Soong) on all seven seasons of TNG, the four TNG movies, and the first season of Star Trek: Picard – believes it’s a “no-brainer” that Burton should host Jeopardy!
“I think LeVar’s the perfect person to do that job. I can’t think of anyone more qualified than he is. LeVar has proven himself as a host, an educator, a personality, and this and that. He’s a very smart guy with a really great personality, which I think is key for the job. He’s got all of the qualities,” said Spiner, who added tongue-in-cheek, “If ever Vanna White decides to step down from Wheel of Fortune, I think I’m a pretty qualified person to do that job. She definitely has better legs, but I know the alphabet very well and I am an expert at turning.”
They also spoke highly of Jonathan Frakes, alias Cmdr. William Riker, who also directed many TNG episodes, as well as 1996’s Star Trek: First Contact and 1998’s Star Trek: Insurrection. In fact, they stated he was their favorite TNG director.
“He didn’t take himself too seriously. He was fun and loves actors. He treats actors with respect and knows what he’s doing – that’s a good combination. And he’s a friend,” said McFadden.
Added Spiner: “Jonathan really learned his stuff; he is a fine director. I always feel I’m in good hands when Jonathan’s directing. I just finished doing an episode with him and it was just great! We have a shorthand, of course, and it’s great to work with somebody I’m that close to. He’s really skilled now and it’s not just me saying that about my friend; I think if you ask anyone on the set – any crew member, any other actor – they all take pleasure in working with Jonathan. Definitely my favorite TNG director.”
Both McFadden and Spiner have been keeping busy lately. McFadden is currently hosting the podcast Gates McFadden InvestiGates: Who Do You Think You Are?. Spiner – who will appear on the second season of Picard, scheduled for 2022 – has written a novel called Fan-Fiction: A Mem-Noir: Inspired by True Events. They recently discussed these projects and their careers at length with Showbiz Junkies.
Born in Cuyahoga Falls, OH, McFadden (nee Cheryl Gates McFadden) discovered performing at a very young age.
“I think I was very much pushed to perform. I was taking dancing lessons and I was on The Paige Palmer Show (in Cleveland, which ran from 1948-73) when I was a little girl at (ages) 5-7. I just have memories that go way back,” recalled McFadden. “Then I started doing community theater. I took acting lessons at a place in Akron – which I loved – called Coach House Theater. That’s how it started. It was my major in college, but I continued studying dance and movement.”
Most notably, McFadden choreographed the dance scene between Beverly and Data in the TNG episode, “Data’s Day.”
“I have major scoliosis in my spine… Had I not done dance, I would look like a hunchback. If I hadn’t done so much dance, it would be very noticeable,” she said. “I was never told by my mother that she knew that, but I was always wondering why I wasn’t selected to be a ballerina because I felt I was really good. The problem was I didn’t have a back that could bend like all the girls’ backs in my class. Even though I did some gymnastics moves and everything, it was much harder for me because my back couldn’t go in that direction. Several of my friends went on to become Rockettes.”
McFadden graduated cum laude from Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass. She also studied at École Internationale de Théâtre Jacques Lecoq in Paris under French actor/movement coach Jacques Lecoq, whom she considers her greatest mentor.
She’s taught acting at Brandeis, the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York, Brooklyn College, the New York University Tisch School of the Arts, Fairleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey, the University of Pittsburgh, and the University of Southern California. In fact, USC offered her the prestigious George Burns Teaching Fellowship.
“When they asked me to come aboard full-time, I turned it down because it wasn’t what I wanted to do. I was feeling universities were becoming increasingly corporate. There’s too much politics in things that should not be full of politics,” said McFadden. “I couldn’t teach on a regular basis; I wouldn’t be able to fit that in my schedule.”
Doing Choreography for Jim Henson
Theater is McFadden’s first love. She was a regular in the New York theater scene for nearly a decade. Her performance in Cloud 9 at the Lucille Lortel Theatre in New York City – directed by Tommy Tune – earned McFadden her equity card. Further, Muppets creator Jim Henson saw her performance and became interested in her work.
“It was a brilliant production. It had been already running a year and I was hired in the lead role as a replacement. In that role, I played a lot of different characters,” said McFadden. “(Henson) had seen me in it. That meant he knew I could act.”
McFadden appeared in 1984’s The Muppets Take Manhattan. She talked about auditioning for it.
“I was excited. I hadn’t tried out for a film – this was the first. It was a small scene, but it looked like fun because I adored the Muppets. I was stunned when I was led up to (Henson’s) office and I was the only person there!” recalled McFadden. “He didn’t ask me to read because he already knew I could act… but he didn’t tell me that. I’m thinking, ‘Wow, this is how it’s gonna be! All these directors will bring you into their office and offer you a part? Holy cow – this is gonna be fun!’” she laughed. “That’s the only time it happened in my life. Usually, you’re in a room with 100 other people who look exactly like you and you’re all vying for the same part.”
Henson asked McFadden to direct the animatronics in 1985’s Dreamchild, which was about author Lewis Carroll creating the classic Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. Henson’s Creature Shop built puppets of the Alice characters, except they were distorted and less friendly-looking.
“I had been teaching movement for a long time and I had worked with masks. Lecoq had worked with masks on many things. I had worked for years on articulation, different sorts of mime – you really need to know all that for puppetry,” she said. “I had never studied puppetry, but there are quite a few links between understanding where the audience needs to focus by the way you move the head, the arms – the articulation – breaking down moments of action.”
McFadden continued: “I was to choreograph the scenes, put them on video, and I had live actors as well in the scenes. I had to choreograph these scenes, do different versions, put them on film, and then the director (Gavin Millar) would decide which ones he liked. All that had to happen in a week. It was really scary. I felt like I was in a war zone because I’ve never had that expertise about animatronics. It was very complicated. Now, it’s nothing like it was then. There were seven people who were working on just the face of the Mad Hatter… It was really detailed. Jim took me to the studio, introduced me to people, and then he said: ‘I have to go back to (Los Angeles). Good luck.’ That was my baptism of fire.”
From there, McFadden became the director of choreography and puppet movement for 1986’s Labyrinth, a collaboration between Henson and Star Wars auteur George Lucas. The movie starred a 14-year-old Jennifer Connelly (who would later win the Oscar for A Beautiful Mind) and the late rocker David Bowie. For McFadden, Labyrinth was a “pretty extraordinary experience.”
“Jennifer was so young and obviously stunningly beautiful then. She’s become such a fantastic actress – it’s wonderful to see that happen. I worked with her on a few things, and she was wonderfully receptive. I’m so happy for her that she’s gone on to such a wonderful career,” said McFadden. “I didn’t have that much of a chance to be a fangirl (around Bowie) because I had so much responsibility; there was always something I had to do, and I was always working on things. It wasn’t like we were hanging out, but there were moments that were really, really fun. He really was an extraordinary artist; I admire his work as an artist so much. He was so down-to-earth and just normal. He’d chat with people; he wasn’t at all pretentious – it was lovely.”
Initially, she turned down Labyrinth because her acting career was taking off.
“I was cast in Hannah and Her Sisters. I already had my costume fittings. I was shooting a 2-month job on TV. I had a play. I was really feeling great. Then I had an accident while cross-country skiing and had to have major surgery… It took me two months to recover. I lost all three jobs. It was tough. I was like, ‘Oh, man, what am I gonna do? I need the money.’ Jim came back with the idea of doing Labyrinth. I said okay. I knew it was gonna be in England and gonna be nine months of my life. That’s how that happened,” said McFadden.
Of all Henson’s creations, McFadden’s favorite is his most famous: Kermit the Frog.
“For me, Kermit is the one that stole my heart,” she said. “I think that little frog is one of the greatest puppets ever made and it’s connected to who Jim is – the voice, the idea of the silliness of it all, the sensitivity. The song, ‘It’s Not Easy Being Green,’ is such a metaphor for so many ways people feel about themselves. When you see how lovable this creature is… (it) really brings such hope and joy.”
Becoming Beverly Crusher
After Labyrinth, McFadden returned to the stage. While at a screentest in L.A., her agent called her while enroute to the airport and strongly encouraged her to audition for TNG in May 1987.
“My agent – who happened to be an enormous Star Trek fan – called me and said, ‘Oh my God, Gates! You’ve got to go to Paramount! They just started today. There’s gonna be a new series and they’re doing the first casting of the female roles. You gotta go! It’s today! I told them you were going back, and they said you can come over today.’ I go, ‘Really?’ ‘Yes, if you do anything for me, please do this!’ And I had never seen (the original) Star Trek, so there I went,” recalled McFadden.
Upon arrival at the Paramount lot, McFadden met a secretary and asked which one of the three parts they wanted her to read.
“‘I don’t care. Pick whatever one you want’ – that’s what was said to me. So I looked at all three… The scene I loved was the comic scene with Beverly in ‘The Naked Now’ episode, where she’s coming on to Picard (Patrick Stewart) because she has this virus (that made the entire crew lose sight of their inhibitions and act as though they were drunk),” she said. “It was this silly, wonderful scene – I loved it. So I did it. I thought she was a comical character – forget that… That’s how it happened. They offered me the part later.”
And she turned it down twice.
At the time, McFadden was in a play called The Matchmaker.
Fortunately, the creators didn’t give up on her so easily.
“I happened to be in San Diego. It worked out,” said McFadden. “When they were shooting the pilot, they said, ‘We’ll fly you back for the evening show and have a limo to pick you up and drive you to your performance. You can sleep in the back, then we’ll take you to a hotel.’ And I did that. What a gift that they came back.”
However, the late Maurice Hurley, TNG’s head writer and showrunner, did not get along with McFadden. At Hurley’s demand, she was let go at the end of the first season. Diana Muldaur joined TNG as Dr. Katherine Pulaski in the second season. Meanwhile, McFadden appeared in 1990’s The Hunt for Red October as Dr. Catherine Ryan, wife of the movie’s hero Jack Ryan (Alec Baldwin, 30 Rock). However, the majority of her scenes were drastically cut.
“The word was (Hurley) said to (creator Gene Roddenberry), ‘Either she goes or I go.’ That’s what I heard, and it makes sense to me,” she said.
However, Muldaur didn’t gel with the rest of the cast as hoped. A huge letter-writing campaign from fans demanded McFadden return to TNG.
“I couldn’t believe it; I was stunned. The fans really wanted the character back. I think it was Patrick who made it happen (and demanded McFadden return). He’s the one who called me and said” – and McFadden imitated Stewart’s distinctive British accent – “‘Darling, would you consider coming back?’” Speaking normally, “(Roddenberry) said, ‘We’re gonna ask her back,’ so that’s what happened… That’s what was told to me.”
So, McFadden returned to TNG as Beverly in the third season and remained until the series finale, whereas Hurley left TNG as the end of the second season. McFadden also played Beverly in the four TNG movies and did voiceover work in two PC games. She even directed the seventh season TNG episode, “Genesis,” her only directorial credit to date. However, McFadden won’t be reprising her most famous role in Picard season two.
“Patrick is just terrific to work with. He and I had a great chemistry, I always felt,” she said. “I loved our scenes. I hope someday to work with him again.”
McFadden spoke about how her podcast came about. Brian Volk Weiss, CEO of the Nacelle Company, simply asked her.
“It just landed on my lap,” said McFadden. “He had to convince me. I said, ‘I can’t do a podcast. What am I going to talk about?’ He kept coming back and said, ‘Do whatever you want. Do conversations with your friends. Do this and that.’ It was the pandemic and I thought, ‘Well, heck, I’ll set up a sound studio and try it.’ It’s really about having the courage to be willing to fail. You might fail at a venture, but you want to try it to see if you can learn something and have fun – all of those things happened.”
Her podcast is a light-hearted and intimate sit-down conversational series featuring her close friends and Trek colleagues reminiscing on their careers, personal lives, and everything in between. Guests have included Spiner, Frakes, Burton, Nana Visitor, et al. The first season is 15 episodes. To date, 11 have aired.
“I am talking to people I dearly love and trying to learn something new about (them). I do my research and go through their lives again. I have pages of things I could ask them about,” said McFadden. “I’ve had a lot of fun and have had a lot of fun. I enjoy doing it. I hope people enjoy listening.”
Boldly Going for 55 Years and Beyond
For Trek’s 55th anniversary this year, McFadden will participate in the History Channel’s 8-part documentary series called Center Seat. It will debut this fall.
“Everyone has something that has great meaning to them in their lives… I have had people come up to me and say, ‘I became a surgeon because of your character.’ How fantastic is that?” said McFadden. “The fact is I see not only my character, but all of our (TNG) characters as role models. We are role models. We have been role models for a couple of generations coming up. We were the show the family could watch together.”
In regard to Trek’s staying power, it’s a show that makes you think and allows you to see both sides of a problem, according to McFadden.
“(It) allows you to hold a contradiction in your hand and say, ‘It’s okay. There’s not one that’s good and one that’s bad. They both have a point of view. You’re strong enough to look at both points of view and think about it.’ There’s so many shades of gray,” she said. “People have become so (mired) in their tribes now – ‘No, that person’s wrong and this person’s right!’ I think that’s one of the reasons the show is powerful because it says, ‘Wait, wait, wait! Don’t close off. Stay open. Listen and think about it. What can we do? If we compromise, what are the compromises?’”
McFadden continued: “(Roddenberry and Henson were) two people who really had their finger on what the culture needed in terms of optimism, the future, and just how to enjoy the present and how to get along, to be tolerant of people who are different, to be tolerant of creatures who are different… And what a message, those shows gave. The ethics and values in both of those shows – the Henson shows and (Trek) – are pretty admirable as far as I’m concerned. It’s taken me a while to appreciate it, but I really appreciate it now because it gives me hope and we need hope.”
A native of Texas, Spiner – who’s had a career in theater and as a musician – was done with Data. In fact, he actively campaigned to have Data killed off as he felt he was aging out of the part.
He got his wish in 2002’s Star Trek: Nemesis, where Data sacrificed his life to save the Enterprise.
This was the final appearance of the TNG cast until the majority of them reprised their roles in Picard when it debuted in 2020 (including Spiner).
Spiner spoke about his decision to play Data again.
“I was influenced by the fact that I thought it was a really amazing group of people writing the show. Indeed, the stuff I did was beautifully written. Basically, I had a little wink in the first episode,” said Spiner. “In the last episode, there was this phenomenal scene written by Michael Chabon (Wonder Boys) that I thought was fantastic, so why not? We do change our minds from time to time. I’d like to take a lesson from Sean Connery, who said, ‘Never say never.’”
When TNG was being cast, Spiner auditioned for Data six times before he was chosen. He spoke about what made him stand out from the other actors.
“Good looks, talent, I don’t know – you tell me,” he quipped. “I’m sure any of the others who auditioned for the part were capable of doing it. That’s the essence of auditioning. Anyone who’s been on the other side of the table and has to make a decision will tell you that there’s a world of talent who comes before them. It’s really difficult to make those decisions because there are so many good actors who are trying to get the one job.”
Throughout TNG, Data has often tried to figure out the various aspects of human behavior and was unable to feel emotion. This inspired him to strive for his own humanity. Eventually, he achieves it when an emotion chip is added to his positronic brain. Data’s one of the most popular characters in the entire Trek canon.
“I think he’s the most popular character in the universe,” Spiner deadpanned. “Seriously, I don’t know if he’s the most popular character. He’s certainly popular. They’re all popular… I think with Data, there’s a lot to say for him. He’s available, which is also a problem. He is somebody people can project on to because he’s a blank slate, and he’s not dangerous; he’s accepting of all things and people and species. There’s something comforting about that.”
Spiner doesn’t mind being remembered as Data.
“In fact, I’m very fond of Data. I’m very happy I played that role,” he said. “It offered me – and continues to offer me – a lot of opportunity and a lot of challenges, but I prefer, if I had my choice, to be remembered as Brent Spiner. Just because that is actually who I am. Data is – I know this is hard to take – a fictional character. And I am, believe it or not, a real person. As much time I’ve spent as Data, I’ve spent so much more time as myself. That would be my preference.”
30 Years in the Making
This October, Spiner will release his first book, Fan-Fiction, which is historical fact and historical fiction, a memoir and a noir mystery all crammed together.
“The true story is a literary agent (Albert Lee) came to my manager and said he’d be interested in pursuing a memoir from me,” said Spiner. “He thought it would be lucrative and people would buy it. I really didn’t want to write a memoir – it didn’t interest me, writing a pure memoir. I had this other idea… which I told him. He’s like, ‘I don’t know. Let’s see if we can sell that.’”
He continued: “That was after several weeks of trying to convince me to write a memoir instead, but I had this story in mind. Actually, I met with a friend of mine Jonathan Ames, (Blunt Talk) who encouraged me. I asked him if he thought the story would work and he said, ‘I think you’ve got to write this.’ I convinced the agent and my manager it was worth pursuing. Fortunately, they were able to get St. Martin’s Press onboard and the rest is history.”
Fan-Fiction has been 30 years in the making, according to Spiner. The book occurs on the TNG set in 1991. It chronicles the dark side of celebrity in a fictionalized account of Spiner dealing with several stalkers over the years.
“The through-line of the book is fear. It’s fear that’s been awakened in me by the stalking incidents, so the fear in my past comes to a head all throughout this book,” he said. “The book illustrates that fandom is a double-edged sword, even a triple-edged sword if there is such a thing… It’s inspired by a true event. I think we’re fairly clear on that. Yes, some things happened but they didn’t happen like I wrote them necessarily. The book is really fictional. I want to be really clear when I say none of it’s true, but it is inspired by true things that happened.”
The pandemic gave Spiner the time to write Fan-Fiction.
“I don’t want to say in any way it was a good thing for me or anyone else, but it did force me into doing it because there was no acting work – at least not for C-team mediocre actors,” he said, laughing. “I needed to fill my time. I needed to be creative; it’s part of who I am. I was able to devote a lot of time that I would not have ordinarily been able to write the book. I found it to be a really enjoyable process. It was something I looked forward to doing every day. Just accessing that part of my imagination was really rewarding to me. It was therapeutic too, dealing with my past, dealing with things that had been stuck in my unconscious or subconscious for a lifetime that I needed to purge. Just being able to express myself artistically in a different way was great.”
The Lionel Barrymore of His Time
Spiner expressed an interest in appearing in 2022’s Frasier revival. In a 2003 episode of Frasier, Spiner played a divorced scientist named Albert who was implied to be the new love interest of Frasier’s (Kelsey Grammer) ex-wife Lilith (Bebe Neuwirth).
“I’m sure they’ll want Bebe to come back,” said Spiner. “In my mind, I see us as a couple ever since then. I could be deceiving myself. No doubt I am, but stranger things have happened.”
He would like to continue to act as long as he can still stand.
“Or maybe not even stand – I see myself as the Lionel Barrymore (It’s A Wonderful Life) of my time, doing the last few years from a wheelchair. I think I still got some left… To be an actor at my age and still be working is very gratifying,” said Spiner. “The only downside of it was when I was a young guy, I had a fantastic acting teacher who really pushed all of his students towards as much versatility as we could possibly do… It served me well. For a long time, I felt – arrogantly – I could pretty much do anything. The fact is now I’m limited to playing people of a certain age. The only thing that’s gone away is I can’t play young guys anymore.”
A Second Family
The TNG cast is a very close-knit cast. In fact, it’s a second family to Spiner. He’s the godfather of McFadden’s son and was the best man in Burton’s wedding in 1992.
“We really did have a special bond. We were working 16-hour days on sets that had no windows,” he said. “We really could’ve gone crazy. I think what we chose to do instead was have a good time. We really did. We laughed all daylong every day. There were prickly moments here and there, but really nothing much. This camaraderie has survived. It’s transcended time, really; we’re as close now as we ever were – if not more so. We still get together for dinner. I still speak to one or more of the cast members every week… As it happens, we’re also working together again, which is great.”
Like McFadden, Spiner also tried to explain why Trek has survived and thrived after 55 years. However, he pointed out that’s difficult because it means different things to different people.
“I think for some people it has staying power because they just enjoy the show. It’s great entertainment, which – incidentally – was the intention from the beginning to create entertainment that would appeal to people,” he said. “I can philosophize on it myself and say we really, really live in a treacherous time and it just keeps getting more and more treacherous and frightening. The possibility of a future at all is questionable. We have so many obstacles to face…There’s this subconscious fear in all of us that there may be no future.”
Spiner continued: “Star Trek – not just Star Trek, but Star Wars and all of science-fiction – appeals to us on some kind of visceral level that reassures us that there will be a future, and that mankind – and womankind – will continue to exist. I think it brings people some kind of reassurance and comfort. Now that could be bullshit… but it’s necessary to philosophize on why Star Trek has endured.”
He pointed out that everyone is a fan of someone or something.
“I’ve never met anyone who wasn’t a fan of someone,” said Spiner. “That just means appreciation for the effort and for the work you do. That’s a wonderful salve to one’s ego to be celebrated by a group of people or one person or anyone for your efforts. It’s very satisfying to know there are people who enjoy and appreciate what you do.”